February 17, 2005
Web Spam Squashing Summit: 2/24/2005
Technorati is coordinating a Web Spam Squashing Summit in Sunnyvale next Thursday, February 24, and I would like to extend an invitation to all tool developers to attend. Many thanks to Yahoo! for hosting the event on their campus.
The summit will focus on web spam -- not email spam. Web spam includes comment spam, link spam, TrackBack spam, tag spam, and fake weblogs. We are bringing all of the key players together in one room to discuss current projects seeking to address the common problem and hope to leave the event with a solid set of actions. Key industry players such as AOL, Google, MSN, Six Apart and Yahoo have all confirmed their attendance.
Space is limited so please send a prompt reply to rsvp@technorati.com if you are interested in attending. If you or your company is playing a role in enriching conversations on the web you are invited to attend the summit as space allows. Include the organization or tool that you're developing or representing as well, thanks. To make things more productive for everyone coming, please include a short paragraph covering one or more of the following in your email, so we can distribute it to all the folks coming to the summit:
- Problem Statement: describe a form of spam you are dealing with
- Current Solutions: describe a current solution you have implemented and how it works
- In Development: describe a solution you are working on and why it will be better
See you there!
We are also planning a webcast/IRC for folks who can't make it, more to come as all the details are worked out.
Posted by dsifry at February 17, 2005 7:10 PM
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Would the members of the committee be interesting in sitting down with a poacher wearing a game keeper's hat, that could and will eliminate 99% of the problem within 6 months?
Dave, could you invite someone from UserLand, I use their tools, and want to make sure they can benefit from the work you guys do. Thanks.
I suspect that this sort of net based spam can only be solved via one of two methods:
1. ISPs terminate service to those that are committing such acts.
2. All non-offending ISPs refuse to transmit any packets [legit and non-legit] for the ISPs that host the spammers in question.
Spammers need connectivity to survive. Making it unprofitable to host spammers is the only know method for ending spam.
Regards
1. ISPs terminate service to those that are committing such acts.
I think most isp do this, the problem is that the offending website just moves on to another host, and seeming how most hosting companies use an automated system it's really hard to monitor
That presumes we're talking about large scale scripted use that would affect bandwidth use and network connectivity.
sounds like a meeting for the hardcore developers. i have some kibitzing i could do, but don't want to take up valuable space/time to do so.
one thing to note, aside from the morality/ethics angle is that, human nature being what it is, any system with holes in it will find those holes exploited...
Guys get serious, a summit won't solve the problem. The only thing that might help is trying to find a solution together with the "enemies".
Thomas, a summit will coordinate the people behind the solution. I am sure, if a comment spammer wants to show, he can. Solutions only work, if more than just one guy is behind them. As much as I am a sucker for those solutions that involve the use of physical force, I am also a realist, and as such think that a concerted effort to create a means to block and oust spammers is the best.
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It appears to me that fighting spam requires increasing accountability of those doing it. Accountability only works if there is identity.
So: before you have a universally adoptable identity system, spamming won't substantially decrease, whatever else you do. Passport it ain't, Liberty it ain't, etc. etc. ... LID on the other hand, might work quite well. http://lid.netmesh.org/
Disclaimer: I'm on the people who came up with LID(tm). If you'd like me to come by, you let me know.
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I'l be there... representing Rojo of course.
Kevin
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Hi,
I wish your effort best of success, even though I cannot be personally present due to other commitments.
Please remove the medicine related comment spam above. It doesn't look good in an anti-spam summit announcement posting.
And tell google that nofollow is a brain-dead idea. We expect better of them.
My recommendation is for widespread adoption of CAPTCHA with accessibility variants.
Angsuman Chakraborty
Taragana
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Imagine the spam culture of the government gets on the act as well ;-)
The "blogosphere" -- or the universe of Weblogs -- continues to explode exponentially The Coming of blog.gov?
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Where will the irc meeting take place and where will I be able to follow the webcast?
Thanks,
Sebastian
nofollow is an example of the developers getting together without listening to those outside of this small, select group.
Some folks are not listening. Or if they are, they're no learning.
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I'm very interested in it...hehe. google has been spammed so badly since last year....
and I think spammers should be invited to attend the meeting, too . :)))
Now, that's a lot of spam. Its quite obvious that the spam solutiion hasn't been solved.
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spam ... how do we know you didn't just added it to make the spam problems look a lot worse than they are ..
spam ... how do we know you didn't just added it to make the spam problems look a lot worse than they are ..
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