It is very interesting, a minor whinge about the results is that the duplicates make it more like the most interesting 80-90.
I have conciously tried not to link to too many "A-list" bloggers in my blogroll, but I suspect this isn't really an effective solution. I wonder if reducing the weighting of links found in blogrolls and increasing the weight of those in blog posts would get some interesting results.
Posted by: Jim Hughes at February 12, 2003 4:29 AMWhen you say "I simply cut out all the bloggers who already have an audience," what is your metric for that? I notice Shelley Powers mentioned that she appears on all three of your lists.
It's interesting to note that RFB (my blog) was on the interesting newcomers list a few days ago and got about 12-16 hits over a day or so, which is a lot of traffic for one link. Then it was off the list yesterday, so it's nice to see there's some churn there. I suppose not that many people added links to me on Monday. I think I may be back on today, as I saw a link in my referrers this morning once again from the newcomers list.
I imagine you'll keep tweaking the algorithms.
Posted by: xian at February 12, 2003 8:51 AMWell, you make a good case that these laws aren't immutable. But the point that Shirkey makes--or, that I get from him--is that being first has huge advantages because it's easier to get noticed when there are a handful of blogs than thousands and it's therefore more likely that the early bloggers get on people's "favorite blog" lists and therefore be read by new users who will, in turn, be more likely to add them to their lists than, say, a blog they haven't read. So, yes, a group of people can get together and make a newcomer's blog more popular; but, even then, it's more likely that it'll be a newcomer that started yesterday than one that starts tomorrow.
Posted by: James Joyner at February 12, 2003 4:44 PMPower to the blogger!
I did not double check your maths because math ain't my bag, but I like the idea.
It is an excellent thing to gain sources of new information and perspective. After all, the internet and blogging is for free market thought.
Thank you for illustrating how that might work. I'll link to you!
Posted by: Wonder at February 12, 2003 4:55 PMPower to the blogger!
I did not double check your maths because math ain't my bag, but I like the idea.
It is an excellent thing to gain sources of new information and perspective. After all, the internet and blogging is for free market thought.
Thank you for illustrating how that might work. I'll link to you!
Posted by: Wonder at February 12, 2003 4:56 PMI like what you've done here, and would like to suggest a further refinement. The best way to drive up traffic (and links probably follow traffic) is to post a lot. It doesn't matter so much what you post, since every time you post and ping weblogs you get more visitors.
But not all posts are interesting, and not all the big posting volume sites are worth reading because they have so much junk on them: Instapundit is the classic example.
So the way I would measure the quality of a blog is by the number of links to specific posts divided by the total number of posts, and then run all that through your weighting factor that looks for percent change to the installed base of linkers or whatever.
The reasoning is that a blog with light posting volume that consistently has posts that are linked by many others is a good one to read in terms of the ratio of what you get out of it vs. what you put into it.
So when you've got nothing better to do, etc.
Posted by: Richard Bennett at February 13, 2003 4:09 AMGiven the "A-list" and power law discussion and such, you can actually find an analysis of mobility within the myelin bloggin ecosystem (for the past 6 months). In brief, growth and movement are a definite, though I very much like your "flattening" proposal.
http://goatee.net/2003/02#_12we
You're doing discovery based on at-large changes in popularity. Since you've got the cosmos data, why not personalize the recommendations? For instance,
blog X is the most similar to your blog for inbound links (the same people link to both of you). Or
blog Y is the most similar to your blog in the outbound links (the stuff you link to). All the things that blog Y links to that you do not are things you are highly likely to enjoy.
Either form of discovery will fight the power law trend.
Posted by: Steve at February 13, 2003 9:48 PMCan I just point out the irony that Dave Sifry's blogs are ranked at numbers 1 & 2 on 'Interesting Newcomers' and 4&5 on 'Interesting Recent Blogs'... no wonder he likes these new metrics.
One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is that in general power law relationships are subject to rapid flux - the field is sometimes known as 'catastrophe theory' for this reason - that upheavals follow a power law too.
More is made of this aspect in 'Ubiquity' than in 'Emergence', but they are two halves of the same phenomenon as far as I can see.
Posted by: Kevin Marks at February 14, 2003 1:12 AMBoth the regular power law and this variant assume one thing - that the blogger is sufficiently well-connected enough beforehand to get the large number of new links if they deserve it.
There are only a couple of services so far that help these hypothetical insightful-yet-unknown bloggers. Services like pinging weblogs.com and blo.gs .
But they don't have much filtering capabilities. What would really make this fly is to allow bloggers to take certain blog entries that they honestly intend to syndicate and jump through some self-categorization hoops, and then submit it to a service that hosts a variety of categorized feeds. People would subscribe to these feeds and would rate the various blog entries, fulfilling a quota, in return for having feeds that accurately pass along blog entries to them that they'd be interested in, judging from their previous ratings and categorization interests.
This could also be decentralized - I could just set up a category page about, say, The Supreme Court, and let people trackback it. The page itself would be private, but I'd filter the results and push the interesting submissions back to a feed that others could subscribe to. Sorta like blogging, except that I'm receiving links that I'm not likely to find on my own rather than searching for links that everyone else is already finding.
Just a couple of brainstorms...
I write a lot about stuff like this at http://www.museworld.com/
Posted by: Curt Siffert at February 14, 2003 8:11 PMI've done a detailed analysis of Power laws as applied to Weblogs, Newspapers and Movies:
http://homepage.mac.com/kevinmarks/powerlaws.html
The conclusions I come to are:
1. Weblog links do follow a power law
2. This saturates less quickly than other media, due to low barriers to entry
3. Therefore the many lightly linked weblogs outweigh the few heavily linked ones
You can discuss it here:
http://www.quicktopic.com/19/D/EKxMGmyiii48E.html
I'd like to try this on the Technorati dataset instead of the Blogging Ecosystem, if you're interested.
Posted by: Kevin Marks at February 17, 2003 4:24 PMI'm a newcomer in looking at all of this, and I am certain other minds have thought more about this... but...
If I link something, I may link it for a completely different reason than someone else may. These are aspects; I may link to something because it served as a muse for an entry whereas someone else may have linked to it because they are directly involved.
In my book - and it's a new book with fresh blank pages, so please be patient - if link relevance AND your algorithm worked together, wouldn't that better define how relevant the blogger's links are?
Only this evening have I come across your blog (an interesting journey), and at Technorati I noted that a lot of the links to the popular blogs are semi-static or static. Is this what you are trying to achieve, or is this artifact?
Posted by: Taran at October 8, 2003 10:35 PMthat's a gud one! Weblogs are actually becoming powerful.
Posted by: http://www.juniors.net at October 14, 2003 10:10 PMI'm reiterating for the faction who wish to be heard---Is this a popularity contest, to have your content listed? Okay, so it might be on the hitlist, Technocrati's Top 100, but how/why should it be such for the newcomers?
I've only been doing this seven days...I haven't even been indexed by the search engines yet, so how can I have any links without being seen?
More importantly--is your criteria for interesting based on someone else's opinion? Though I like input from other others, how will the really interesting stuff get seen? Why not use the content-based criteria suggestion (keywords)?
Posted by: phemy at October 20, 2003 3:43 AMI'm reiterating for the faction who wish to be heard---Is this a popularity contest, to have your content listed? Okay, so it might be on the hitlist, Technocrati's Top 100, but how/why should it be such for the newcomers?
I've only been doing this seven days...I haven't even been indexed by the search engines yet, so how can I have any links?
More importantly--is your criteria for interesting based on someone else's opinion? Though I like input from other others, how will the really interesting stuff get seen? Why not use the content-based criteria suggestion (keywords)?
Posted by: phemy at October 20, 2003 3:44 AMDon't think I quite get all of this.. even though it makes sense. I was just looking for my own blog on google, when I saw a link to this top 100 list. Apparently I'm on it. Which would not be very strange, going from 1 link to 7..
I was curious of course.. wanted to find out. However.. the page doesn't load on my mac somehow.. :( can anybody tell me if
http://homepage.mac.com/rhuigen/iblog/index.html
is on the list. Might just get me another subject to write about on my blog :D
Thanks!
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